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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.06 21:16:20 -
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Unfortunately mission baiting has been done to death so you will probably have to scan down 8-10 to find one willing to aggress. Certain missions with lots of valuable loot like faction tags it can be funny to warp in a Talos and delete their mobile tractor unit before they can scoop it. Actually destroying a bear's MTU tends to make him very cranky.
Don't use a confessor. T2/T3 and faction **** is scary. Your objective is to be as dumb and harmless looking as possible while fitting an active tank strong enough to absorb drone DPS and enough DPS to break the average mission fit. If you don't have a scanning alt you want to have a dedicated scanning ship and a bait/combat ship (or two, something heavier to bring out if necessary like a BC or navy cruiser.)
You can always play the game of alts with multiple logi then swapping those to shooters if they get aggressed also, but that's cheating.
Aside from frigates and AF's the dual repped cap boosted vexor is a very mean tech 1 cruiser. Doesn't seem too frightening to the unwashed but ~600 DPS heated and near permatank will dispatch a mission fit with ease. |

Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.07 03:47:20 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:firstly , read this. [edit] derp, didnt see omars link  the confessor would work but it will get chewd up by any drone boats, like hilariously badly. the problem is in a bear flipping scenario you have to be able to kill drones quickly and the confessors tracking just dosent allow for that reliably. it can work but its not easy, personally im hoping the gal one will have the same bonuses to sig because if it does itl be a dead ringer for the job, more so if it can have a couple of drones. but yeah, read feyds blog, its about the best way to tackle it Vimsy Vortis wrote:T2, T3 and faction are scary. Navy faction cruisers are the least scary fancy boats, people aren't too afraid of stratioses either. Apparently not, the last 4 videos of his are in one and people just don't seem to think they are that intimidating...which is odd because they are very cool ships.
Well. I have use for my Stratios now.
I guess maybe people that don't get out much see it as an exploration/scanning ship? You don't see them used much for pvp in highsec because they are by design better suited for creeping around low and null.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.07 06:26:46 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:MTUs are kind of a conundrum for mission flipping. Yes, shooting them does increase your chances of aggression. Yes, they also have a boatload of structure to deal with as well. Personally I feel kind of cheap whenever I pop one due to having to spend so much time and effort on what is basically a garbage can in space, BUT if you don't and do get aggression the loot fairy gets a second chance to screw you if you win as it sucks in the wreck of your victim. Also, I'd rather see ships on my KB than a bunch of them. That saying, they're still the most frequent thing for me to destroy.
On the other hand they also have their uses. Many crafty bears will do just about anything they can to prevent you from going suspect. (abandoning wrecks, shooting them, using tractor beams and salvage drones to keep the wrecks and loot out of your reach, and so on) Having bookmarked an abandoned MTU in the system can help when they're being downright uncooperative. Just pop a single round into that homeless floater whenever your timers run out and you can keep your flashy status as long as necessary.
I don't understand why people try so hard to prevent you from going suspect. Not like it matters unless they're going to accidentally lock and fire on your ship.
I gave up on mission flipping for awhile because 1) I don't have alts (scan alt saves alot of time and logi alt guarantees a win and lets you tackle tougher targets) and 2) I don't have the patience to spend 4 hours scanning and walk away with naught but some MTU killmails.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.08 03:37:56 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:The reason they try is usually due to them not understanding the aggression mechanics. Many of them actually believe that the suspect flag lets YOU do something naughty to them rather than the other way around, so they take measures to prevent this. *shrug* And yes, a scan alt saves loads of time. Logi alts I'm sure are helpful but I prefer not to use them personally, as actually taking down a larger, beefier ship 1v1 for me is the bacon on my cheeseburger. It helps that I don't mind losing from time to time 
I respect this far more than somebody who has 2-3 logi/orca/combat capable characters on standby. And I think you would get alot more engagements if you didn't have people with neutral logiblobs or orcas following them around. There's just no way to fight that aside from a very well laid trap with lots of friends which will work exactly once.
I'm going to try a Stratios in some less well traveled systems. I feel like the popular mission systems around Dodixie have simply been Ninja'd to death.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.08 06:30:24 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:I've had success getting agro from mission bears with an Algos, especially if you pop out t1 drones at first (and launch the t2's later.....).
Also consider launching less then a full flight (say, 3-4) to make him think you have crap drone skills.
A Tristan works good for this as well.
Reading Feyd's blog is a must, of course.
Also, in tribute to the great Marlona Sky.......show up in a (supposedly) non-combat ship.
Like, say.......a Procuror. Or even better, a Skiff. A Skiff....carrying a Gecko, say.
Then start mining in their mission and 'accidentally' flip a wreck/shoot their MTU/etc.
You prey on their latent blood lust and hypocrisy.
Once they agress you, kick out a depot and switch the strip miner for a medium nos or neut.
Enjoy..:)
I was actually thinking earlier that my stratios needs a flight of tech 1 drones. 3-4 medium caldari drones would be just the thing I believe.
Unfortunately I don't think a procurer or skiff would have the DPS to break most mission ships. 1 Gecko with 1 DDA and full skills only gives about 250 DPS I think. Also sad day if he sets his drones on your lonely Gecko. |
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